The action of dynamis .

by Brian H.

I am completely new to Esoteric teachings and am about to start reading The Reality of Life by Henry T Laurency. Upon this which is a first visit to your website I happened upon Lars article and was stunned by its simple logic albeit much of it is obscure in its meaning to me at present. It is having read this article that a question arises.

Lars states:

The original basis of everything is primordial matter....contains all the known and unknown qualities of life, including consciousness in a potential state, and has a dynamic (self-active) energy called dynamis.
7. The action of dynamis in primordial matter produces primordial atoms....
8. Only when primordial atoms have been created is it possible for matter to produce forms. This is done through the combination of primordial atoms to form ever more composite atomic kinds ...

Its not clear to me from this what it is that KICKE STARTS the action of dynamis to act upon primordial, in the first place.

I have two questions. 1. Who or what brings primordial atoms into existence?
2. What is it that impels or "kick starts" the action of dynamis upon primordial atoms. Or does the action of dynamis start the moment primordial atoms come into existence?

Will be most grateful for clarity on those two aspects.

Thank you.

Brian H.

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Dec 27, 2020
 Question
by: Karl

A friend of mine told me that it is not possible that in an eternity which goes in two directions ( eternal past and eternal future ) there is a possibility that the whole primordial matter is not already overfilled with developed monads. I told him that primordial matter is also limitless, but he still thinks that in an eternal past primordial matter, although limitless, should already be filled with developed monads. Well, he studied engineering and I believe he knows something about mathematics so I wanted to ask if he is missing something. Thank you.
Jan 10, 2017
 Mistakes
by: Fr. E.S.Q.S.

Can anyone reading these comments point out where Finefeather has made mistakes? How about you, Brian H.?

Thanks for your time,

Sincerely,

Fr. E.S.Q.S.
Jan 06, 2017
 Action of Dynamis
by: Brian H

Finefeather

With your explanation at last my question has been answered and to my satisfaction. I am grateful to you. I have noted your associated observations and see their wisdom.
Jan 03, 2017
 The action of Dynamis
by: Finefeather

This is a late reply to the original subject matter of this thread.
As we know, primordial matter is the 'soup' or medium in which Cosmic globes of primordial atoms, Monads, are found.
Each Cosmos is assembled and 'designed' by a collective of Beings of immense knowledge(consciousness) and will(Energy), directed by One Monad (God) who is the top 'point'(1:1) of a Cosmic hierarchy.
During the construction of a Cosmos, primordial matter is attracted into the new Cosmos by the will and intention of the Cosmic Being. This Cosmic collective consciousness and Will converts primordial matter into primordial atoms by virtue of the fact that they are combining with the Cosmic consciousness of the 'new' Cosmos, under construction.
This fulfills, or rather completes, the 'formula' which makes up the 3 aspects a primordial atom. A primordial atom has the aspects, matter consciousness and energy... being, of course, as far as consciousness is concerned, only potential... to begin with... because primordial matter is already 'matter' and dynamis is it's internal force, or energy. Primordial matter does not have consciousness potential because there is no consciousness outside of a Cosmic Globe which can "kick start" the potential consciousness of the primordial matter.
Now the last thing we should remember is that this process, although seemingly simple, and in accordance with the law of analogy, which is "as above so below", should not be treated in a manner which makes us 'believe' we know the truth of the matter, when, in fact, it might be impossible for a human to comprehend, in full detail. We can only attempt at an answer based on the limited knowledge handed down to us. If truth is to be correctly analogous as consciousness increases, then the lowest point of the analogy must be absolute truth... which is often not the case.
Peace to all
Dec 01, 2016
 Errors and More Errors Fr. E.S.Q.S.
by: Brian H

Thank you Fr. E.S.Q.S.

Whilst I thank you for your patience and did pick up your frustration.

You are right of course, I am asking questions from ignorance and hence the questions are wrong.

My questions doubtless reflect my former Christina creationist ideas not least of first cause. I am going to have to think outside that box.

I am well into Explanations by LA (am up to Monads)and enjoying the clarity of the text. I had started to read RS Esoteric Science before and could not understand the English translation which, with all due respect to the one who must have spent a heck of a long time at this task, is poor and left me confused.

Your corrections are much appreciated. Will definitely come back to you when I am more informed.

Sincerely

Brian
Nov 29, 2016
 More errors
by: Fr. E.S.Q.S.

What follows is a number of corrections:

RE: The action of dynamis response by Fr. E.S.Q.S.

"The presence and action of dynamis is instantaneous from the same point in time in which primordial matter comes into existence"

Actually, this is not what I have said; rather, I have said that - according to PH a la HTL and LA, and as far as I have been able to understand it – primordial matter and primordial motion have always been, are, and will be. If primordial matter and/or primordial motion did not exist, then everything we know would not exist – even "God", for primordial matter and primordial motion are absolutely fundamental aspects of existence, even "Gods" existence. They are the first and foremost things.

NOTE: IMHO, "God" should never have entered into the equation. To be perfectly frank with you Brian H., you would do well to forget that "God" was even mentioned by 3Se7ens seeing as the word, "God" is very unclear and imprecise language.

You probably haven’t done much reading so far and, so, what I am about to say probably won’t make much sense to you yet but – according to PH a la HTL and LA, and as far as I have been able to understand it - reality is one and three; a unity of three fundamental aspects: matter, motion, and consciousness. Matter is always primordial matter in essential respects; motion is always primordial motion in essential respects; and, finally, consciousness is always the consciousness in primordial matter, that consciousness which has always been there (save for the fact that it has yet to be "realized" or roused to activity and, so, primordial matter is apparently unconscious or non-conscious). The thing is, as far as esoterics and PH a la HTL and LA is concerned, matter, motion, and consciousness have always existed, are fundamental aspects of reality. So long as there has been reality (which is assumed to have always been), which is before the development of cosmoses, there has been primordial matter and primordial motion. They are before all things.

Dynamis

"So let me clarify what you are both saying. By the process of thought the God brings matter into existence. In that instance, a process begins where dynamis acts upon primordial matter to bring forth into existence primordial atoms. This process never ceases"

That is what 3Se7ens is saying, yes; however,
that is not what I am saying.

"By the process of thought the God brings matter into existence" – besides being patently false according to PH a la HTL and LA (as is discussed above), it is also pure mystical mumbo-jumbo and quasi-esotericism.

"I am trying to understand how life evolves from the mineral kingdom, which has no life or consciousness, to the plant kingdom, which has life and consciousness. Perhaps you could give me some simple examples"

Hmm… my question for you, Brian H., is when will you finally pick up the books (The Explanation by LA and/or The Knowledge of Reality by HTL) and start reading? The questions you are asking – such as this one here - are already addressed in the books. I would be more than happy to discuss matters with you after you have read the books in question; after all, discussing things beforehand seems a bit silly, doesn’t it? How can we discuss a theory you (admittedly) know pretty much nothing about? Likewise, it isn’t my job – or anyone else’s, for that matter - to regurgitate what HTL and LA say in the books.

Action of Dynamis

"’Everything is matter that has consciousness (always to some degree) and is in motion.’

How would that work in for instance, a lump of rock? Because, ordinarily, one would not dream of claiming that a lump of rock has consciousness"

The quote you mention above is PH, "spiritual materialism", in a nutshell.

As per the rock: once more, Brian H., I would encourage you to read the books. Your answers are there.

Thanks for your time,

Sincerely,

Fr. E.S.Q.S.
Nov 28, 2016
 Errors
by: Fr. E.S.Q.S.

"...It is the God of a particular universe that brings monadic atoms into existence from primordial matter"

According to what is said in the literature (of PH), this statement is patently false. The following passage from the Knowledge of Reality, The Problems of Reality, Part One, section 1.34, line 9 by HTL specifically states that:

"God cannot create a single monad, only give the monads the opportunity of being introduced into cosmic manifestation"

There are other points as well if you care to look for them.

"...By an act of meditation, or thought, and also sustains the monads in manifestation by thought until such times that the monad has evolved to such a point that it is self-sustaining and able to venture out of the universe in which it was created to form its own universe (by the act of thought/meditation)"

1. "...Sustains the monads in manifestation by thought" - false. According to the literature, the primordial atoms, once formed, cannot be destroyed ("God" - as in the cosmic collective consciousness - does not create them and/or sustain them, nor can "God" destroy them); likewise, they are in no fear of dissolving like atoms, molecules, and/or more complex aggregates for they cannot dissolve into anything else.

2. "...Until such times that the monad has evolved to such a point that it is self-sustaining" - false. According to the literature, the primordial atoms do not need to be "self-sustaining". Once they have been formed, they remain formed so long as primordial motion - dynamis - acts in them. Primordial motion - dynamis - is before "God" and, as such, "God" has nothing to do with the creation and/or maintaining of primordial atoms. Should primordial motion - dynamis - ever stop, even for a second, everything we know would cease to be - even "God".

3. "...Out of the universe in which it was created" - false. According to the literature, primordial atoms are not created in universes (and by this I presume you mean, "Cosmoses").

There is a veritable cornucopia of errors here.

Thanks for your time,

Sincerely,

Fr. E.S.Q.S.
Nov 27, 2016
 Action of Dynamis
by: Brian H

3se7ens, I say this because Lars states in Expectations "Everything is matter that has consciousness (always to some degree) and is in motion."

How would that work in for instance, a lump of rock? Because, ordinarily, one would not dream of claiming that a lump of rock has consciousness.
Nov 27, 2016
 Dynamis
by: Brian H

3Se7ens Thank you. So let me clarify what you are both saying. By the process of thought the God brings matter into existence. In that instance, a process begins where dynamis acts upon primordial matter to bring forth into existence primordial atoms. This process never ceases.

I am trying to understand how life evolves from the mineral kingdom, which has no life or consciousness, to the plant kingdom, which has life and consciousness. Perhaps you could give me some simple examples. Thanks.




Nov 25, 2016
 Primordial matter and dynamis
by: 3Se7ens

Hello Brian

As far as I can say it is the God of a particular universe that brings monadic atoms into existence from primordial matter by an act of meditation, or thought, and also sustains the monads in manifestation by thought until such times that the monad has evolved to such a point that it is self-sustaining and able to venture out of the universe in which it was created to form its own universe (by the act of thought/meditation).

Best wishes

3Se7ens
Nov 23, 2016
 RE: The action of dynamis response by Fr. E.S.Q.S.
by: Brian H

Dear Fr. E.S.Q.S.

Thank you very much for your answer. In as much as I understand the terminology you have employed to answer, I think it makes sense. The presence and action of dynamis is instantaneous from the same point in time in which primordial matter comes into existence.

I am confident that when I read around this subject and at a greater depth as you indicate, I will gain a greater appreciation of what you are saying.

I will certainly follow your advice as to which text I should read first. Judging by what I have just read by LA your observation is valid. I am grateful for your guidance.
Nov 22, 2016
 RE: The action of dynamis
by: Fr. E.S.Q.S.

Hello there Brian H.,

Welcome to EsotericLaw.com! Hopefully, we (the peoples who frequent this website and study Esoterics a la HTL and LA) can be of some assistance to you.

Seeing as you are completely new to Esoterics (and I am assuming that by "completely new" you actually mean completely new) I might suggest starting off by reading LA's book, "The Explanation". It can be found on the Laurency website. The book has about 12 sections, consisting of roughly 9-15 pages in each section. It is a very easy read by comparison with the works of HTL. Probably the reason it is easier to read is that:

A). LA includes more modern examples
B). The language in "The Explanation" is much simpler and keeps technical jargon to a bare minimum

HTL's works, being like philosophical texts, can be quite dry and highly technical. That being said, if you will start with HTL - or will study both, simultaneously - then, "The Knowledge of Reality" (and especially "The Problems of Reality, Part I") is probably where you should begin.

Of course, I realize that you didn't ask for this suggestion - you don't have to follow my suggestion, in any case; however, it has been my experience that LA's work, "The Explanation" serves as a very good primer to the study of HTL's works.

NOTE: Not all of LA's work is quite so inviting. Most of his work is actually just as dry and technical as HTL's. Granted, no one should start with those works, anyways.

That all said and done, it is about high-time that your questions were addressed:

1. Who or what brings primordial atoms into existence?

Primordial motion or dynamis; the inherent, omnipotent, blind, self-active energy there is in primordial matter. A primordial atom is, in essential respects, a point of force or dynamic energy.


2. What is it that impels or "kick starts" the action of dynamis upon primordial atoms. Or does the action of dynamis start the moment primordial atoms come into existence?

As far as I can tell, nothing starts primordial motion or dynamis - it is primordial and, in a proper sense, timeless; it is the inherent, omnipotent, blind, self-active energy there is in primordial matter. It, like primordial matter, has always been, is, and will be. This primordial motion is what is ultimately responsible for the formation of primordial atoms in primordial matter; likewise, these primordial atoms are - as above - in essential respects, points of force or dynamic energy. Thus, the great power of the primordial atom is revealed in that each and every primordial atom shares in that primordial motion or dynamis which is the very force that makes the primordial atom, itself.

I'm not really sure if that answers your question(s). You can always ask more questions for clarification if need be. Probably, reading a bit of the material will also help.

Thanks for your time,

Sincerely,

Fr. E.S.Q.S.

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